E73| Complex Text & Fluency with Dr. Jake Downs and Dr. Chase Young
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This is a rebroadcast of Episode 245 from the Melissa and Lori Love Literacy Podcast – you can check out that episode here: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/read-like-us-building-fluency-through-repeated-reading/id1463219123?i=1000748503901
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Show Notes
2:30 – What is Read Like Us?
- Overview of the five-step repeated reading protocol
- How it supports accuracy, automaticity, and prosody
4:10 – The Five Reads Explained
- Listening passage preview
- Echo reading
- Choral reading
- Partner reading
- Performance/independent reading
6:00 – Implementation in Classrooms
- Can it work in whole group settings?
- Small group intervention applications
- Working with paraprofessionals and volunteers
10:00 – Maximizing Reading Time
- Why 90% of intervention time should be actual reading
- The workout approach to building fluency
- Ensuring students are actually reading (not just holding books)
12:53 – How Read Like Us Differs from Traditional Approaches
- More than just “read three times and check for speed”
- Building all three components of fluency simultaneously
- The role of modeling and scaffolding
15:00 – Gradual Release of Responsibility
- Transferring task responsibility to students
- Why rate/speed wasn’t emphasized in coaching
- Automaticity as the outcome, not the input
18:00 – Prosody and Comprehension
- Expression as an indicator of understanding
- Using the Rasinski multidimensional fluency rubric
- Rotating focus areas: expression, phrasing, smoothness, pace
20:00 – Study Results
- Fourth grade students: 16.5 WPM growth in 50 days
- Effect size of 0.9
- Improvements in accuracy, vocabulary, and comprehension measures
22:30 – Potential Comprehension Enhancement
- Adding a 10-word takeaway or gist statement
- Keeping it “fluency heavy, comprehension light”
- Future iterations of the protocol
25:30 – The Stacking Protocol Approach
- Learning from dissertation chair Dr. Kit Moore
- Combining multiple evidence-based practices
- Weaving the reading rope together
27:30 – Cost and Accessibility
- Read Like Us is free to implement
- Comparison with commercial tier-two interventions
- Open access article available
28:48 – Text Selection Philosophy
- The month-long process of curating 50 texts
- Using challenging and engaging content (100-200 words)
- Types included: giggle poetry, science facts, short stories with twists, weird state laws
30:30 – The “Challenging Text” Debate
- Using texts above grade level with proper scaffolding
- Addressing the 1960s neurological impress research
- Why modern research supports stretching students
33:17 – Texts Students Actually Want to Read
- Students asking to take intervention texts home
- Incorporating core reading program texts for continuity
- Balance between practical and engaging content
36:00 – Lexile Levels and Text Complexity
- Many texts in 6th-8th grade Lexile range for 3rd-4th graders
- Testing the hypothesis: Can struggling readers succeed in harder texts?
- Being “level agnostic” in text selection
39:00 – Rethinking Leveled Texts
- Limitations of the Lexile formula
- Starting with engaging content, not filter levels
- The scaffolding makes the difference, not the exact level
42:00 – Student Motivation and Text Choice
- Chase’s son reading adult-level joke books in first grade
- The power of “want to” over prescribed levels
- Teacher control vs. student self-selection
43:00 – Repeated Reading vs. Wide Reading
- Defining both approaches
- Why they shouldn’t be pitted against each other
- Read Like Us = repeated reading across wide array of texts
46:30 – Wide Reading and Teacher Control
- Students won’t achieve wide reading through self-selection alone
- The teacher’s role in exposing students to diverse genres
- Balancing instruction with student choice
48:00 – Benefits of Wide Reading
- Exposure to different language patterns across genres
- Informational vs. narrative text structures
- Building terrain navigation skills with various text types
49:00 – Getting Started with Read Like Us
- Start with tomorrow’s text
- Find the 200-300 word section with the most “oomph”
- Use what you already have in your classroom
50:21 – Closing
- Where to find the protocol and resources
- Final thoughts and wrap-up