E73| Complex Text & Fluency with Dr. Jake Downs and Dr. Chase Young

This is a rebroadcast of Episode 245 from the Melissa and Lori Love Literacy Podcast – you can check out that episode here: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/read-like-us-building-fluency-through-repeated-reading/id1463219123?i=1000748503901

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Show Notes
2:30 – What is Read Like Us?

  • Overview of the five-step repeated reading protocol
  • How it supports accuracy, automaticity, and prosody

4:10 – The Five Reads Explained

  1. Listening passage preview
  2. Echo reading
  3. Choral reading
  4. Partner reading
  5. Performance/independent reading

6:00 – Implementation in Classrooms

  • Can it work in whole group settings?
  • Small group intervention applications
  • Working with paraprofessionals and volunteers

10:00 – Maximizing Reading Time

  • Why 90% of intervention time should be actual reading
  • The workout approach to building fluency
  • Ensuring students are actually reading (not just holding books)

12:53 – How Read Like Us Differs from Traditional Approaches

  • More than just “read three times and check for speed”
  • Building all three components of fluency simultaneously
  • The role of modeling and scaffolding

15:00 – Gradual Release of Responsibility

  • Transferring task responsibility to students
  • Why rate/speed wasn’t emphasized in coaching
  • Automaticity as the outcome, not the input

18:00 – Prosody and Comprehension

  • Expression as an indicator of understanding
  • Using the Rasinski multidimensional fluency rubric
  • Rotating focus areas: expression, phrasing, smoothness, pace

20:00 – Study Results

  • Fourth grade students: 16.5 WPM growth in 50 days
  • Effect size of 0.9
  • Improvements in accuracy, vocabulary, and comprehension measures

22:30 – Potential Comprehension Enhancement

  • Adding a 10-word takeaway or gist statement
  • Keeping it “fluency heavy, comprehension light”
  • Future iterations of the protocol

25:30 – The Stacking Protocol Approach

  • Learning from dissertation chair Dr. Kit Moore
  • Combining multiple evidence-based practices
  • Weaving the reading rope together

27:30 – Cost and Accessibility

  • Read Like Us is free to implement
  • Comparison with commercial tier-two interventions
  • Open access article available

28:48 – Text Selection Philosophy

  • The month-long process of curating 50 texts
  • Using challenging and engaging content (100-200 words)
  • Types included: giggle poetry, science facts, short stories with twists, weird state laws

30:30 – The “Challenging Text” Debate

  • Using texts above grade level with proper scaffolding
  • Addressing the 1960s neurological impress research
  • Why modern research supports stretching students

33:17 – Texts Students Actually Want to Read

  • Students asking to take intervention texts home
  • Incorporating core reading program texts for continuity
  • Balance between practical and engaging content

36:00 – Lexile Levels and Text Complexity

  • Many texts in 6th-8th grade Lexile range for 3rd-4th graders
  • Testing the hypothesis: Can struggling readers succeed in harder texts?
  • Being “level agnostic” in text selection

39:00 – Rethinking Leveled Texts

  • Limitations of the Lexile formula
  • Starting with engaging content, not filter levels
  • The scaffolding makes the difference, not the exact level

42:00 – Student Motivation and Text Choice

  • Chase’s son reading adult-level joke books in first grade
  • The power of “want to” over prescribed levels
  • Teacher control vs. student self-selection

43:00 – Repeated Reading vs. Wide Reading

  • Defining both approaches
  • Why they shouldn’t be pitted against each other
  • Read Like Us = repeated reading across wide array of texts

46:30 – Wide Reading and Teacher Control

  • Students won’t achieve wide reading through self-selection alone
  • The teacher’s role in exposing students to diverse genres
  • Balancing instruction with student choice

48:00 – Benefits of Wide Reading

  • Exposure to different language patterns across genres
  • Informational vs. narrative text structures
  • Building terrain navigation skills with various text types

49:00 – Getting Started with Read Like Us

  • Start with tomorrow’s text
  • Find the 200-300 word section with the most “oomph”
  • Use what you already have in your classroom

50:21 – Closing

  • Where to find the protocol and resources
  • Final thoughts and wrap-up

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